http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/middleeast/Nothing_Short_of_a_Miracle.asp
The trust deficit is exacerbated by the fact that after Israel quit the Gaza Strip in 2005, Palestinians, instead of building Singapore there, built Somalia and focused not on how to make microchips, but on how to make rockets to hit Israel. Thomas Friedman
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been there, done that...
Israel, that is.
No, there wouldn't.
What you are dealing with really are two conflicting absolute beliefs: many Israelis believe that Israel is the land promised to them by their deity. Many people in the Muslim nations believe that any land once owned by Muslims belongs to Islam. For both sides, it is a part of the fundamental beliefs of many and perhaps most members of the majority faiths.
There is really no possibility of compromise between those two positions, sadly.
If the Jews gave back 22% of the land they didn't steal, there probably wouldn't be peace - just read some of the answers to this question.
Gotta love Sunset's comment: "The jews are easy prey right now" - spoken like a true carnivore.
And the "Jewish God=Judas killed Christ" bit would be comical if it wasn't so sincere. What a piece of work.
Don't worry, she's just pining for the fjords.
As a totally unbiased person I say this:
The jews have no business on other people's land.
God cursed these guys to wander around in circles since the day they killed Jesus Christ.
That's what the Good Book says anyway. Tom
Nothing was stolen. Even if it were true until Hamas the worlds most hated child killing group is completely wiped out Palestine will never have peace. Peace cannot take place when a child killing group resides among the people.
Tell the Muslims that despite what Allah says in the "Holy Quran" they don't own the entire world's territory and are not overlords over the "infidels"
Jews have been in this land for over 4,000+ years, that is NOT gonna change if some Genghis Khan/Adolf Hitler type warlord comes riding out of the Arabian Peninsula in the 7th century with his band of savage killers to claim it as his own.
if G-d gave 22% of your brain that you werent born with, maybe ud have an answer
70-80% of PA Arabs poll that they will continue to fight Israel, even if given a state. However, Israel won the land during a war with Jordan who'd occupied it illegally during the independence war. Illegally because they started that war. PA Arabs didn't object until after Jordan attacked Israel & wound up with it.
Israel tried to give it all back in '68-'69 but got the famous three nos "no peace, no negotiations, no Israel."
There's a pattern here. The solution is to change the ideology of those who can't stand any of Middle East, not being Muslim --- so they stop riling up PAs with this false stolen saga.
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Ignore that is was a people exchange, not refugee problem.
800,000 Jewish people were kicked out of Arab countries & absorbed by Israel.
More than the 700,000 Arabs who mostly left of their own will because their own leadership asked them too. Also it ignores, that ALL of that is a RESPONSE to Palestinian war & terrorizing of Israel. ALL of it...would stop if & when PA Arabs ask for peace collectively.
Rabbi for you
is an anti-jewish person pretenting to be Jewish to make false statments, Israelis don't make.
The land was not stolen. The land was promised. As we can see, G-d always keeps his promises. Israel was willing to disobey G-d and give up some of their land for peace. Yassir Arafat was once offered more than 90% of all the demands of the PLO and he refused. Land is not the main objective of terrorists. Jewish Blood shed is the main objective of terrorists.
You are confusing "stealing" with "winning land in a war that was started by one's enemies".
Israel did not steel any land from any one, it has belonged to the Jewish people for over 3000 year and will be theres for ever.Israel is here to stay its about time you get used to it.
Plus even if Israel withdrew completely from the westbank it will lead to a security disaster no buffer zone would exist to separate hostile Palestinian forces from Israel if it were to withdraw completely from the territories. Every Israeli government, and most nonpartisan observers, agree that Israel's security requires a presence in the Jordan Valley. Furthermore, Israel has a historic connection to Judea and Samaria, which have been home to Jews for centuries and have important religious significance to the Jewish people. Finally, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria could legitimately argue the territories in dispute belonged to them; this is not true of the Palestinians. The West Bank was never part of any country and the Palestinian claim to the territory is no better than that of Israel.
Israel has acknowledged that it will be necessary to withdraw from parts of the West Bank and Gaza Strip to reach a peace agreement with the Palestinians, and has already withdrawn from large swaths of both, but its security needs are such that it cannot withdraw from 100 percent of those lands.
Jordan doesn't want West Bank back.
So, there is no giving it back.
Israel took the West Bank in a defensive war. That is not stealing. All the signs are that if Israel were to release control of West Bank, the attacks on Israeli citizens would increase again. There would not be peace.
Israel gave Gaza back and go t rockets back as a thank you
in recent talks Between olmert and abbu abbas, olmert asked if the arabs got all that they demanded would they sign a paragraph stating that there would be no further demands and would lay down their arms.
the arabs refused.
If I remember correctly Israel took the land from Jordan and if I remember correctly the Palestinians lived there under Jordanian rule from 48 to 67 without uttering a sound. Many still live in Jordan without uttering a sound, so why won't the Palestinians living in the west bank move to jordan, I'm sure that will bring peace to Israel.
Let me ask you this: If you believe the cause of the conflict is Israel 'stealing' the West Bank, was there peace before the 'theft' ? Obviously the conflict is not based on the West Bank, but the existence of a sovereign Jewish state.
Not until they give the Palestinians the 100% which belonged to them in 1947. Palestinians should be compensated too.
Even if the settlers gave back 90%, the rest 10% belongs to the Palestinians and they should have it back. It's their's and time doesn't change that fact.
I doubt it.
I know it's sad.
But, I can't deny it.
There wasn't peace before Israel held that land, evidenced by the very war that gave it to them! Why would there be if she gave it up? Israel has given up land for peace many times and to no avail. There won't be peace until the Arab world can recognize that Israel is there to stay.
No
We will give back nothing.
G-d gave it to us
I was there when he did
Regardless of the terminology used ("stolen"), there would not be peace as many of the opposing players, including Hamas, Hizbollah, and the leadership in Iran, advocate the destruction of the Israeli state.
Even if the Apartheid state of Israel withdraws unconditionally from the West Bank, the Gaza strip, and all of East Jerusalem, they still occupy 78% of historic Palestine.
The West Bank, Gaza, and E. Jerusalem only make up 22% of historic Palestine.
In 1948, the apartheid state of Israel was created by force over the backs of the native Palestinian people. At that time, 94% of the entire population were Christian Arabs and Muslim Arabs, whereas only 6% of the entire population of Palestine were Jews.
The apartheid state of Israel would never exist today if it wasn't for the massive ethnic cleansing and mass murders of thousands upon thousand of innocent Palestinians who are indeed the native people of the land.
Israel is in clear violation of dozens of UN resolutions and International Laws passed by the World Community, however none of these decisions have ever been enforced.
Israel remains today as the world's last racist apartheid state on the planet. The Palestinian will eventually get all of their land back, but they need the help of the world community.
Arafat wouldn't sign a deal in 2000 when Barak offered 95% of the WB. They will never be offered anything remotely similar. Clinton was pissed and Barak was ousted as PM since Israelis thought he was offering too much. (His hugging and kissing of Arafat didn't help either.)
No Israel would have to concede far more than that
1 Release all or most of the 11,000 prisoners they hold.
2 Open up the border controls between Gaza and Israel
3 Remove all the road blocks in occupied Palestine.
4 Allow the opening of the internation airport in Gaza
5 Allow the opening of the sea port in Gaza
6 Stop the sea blockade of Gaza
7 Forbid Israels military plans to fly over any part of Palestininian lands
8 Return to its 1947 borders
9 Demolish all the partition Berlin style walls
10. Allow the return of all Palestinian 4 million refugees
IF Israel agreed to all these conditions I feel sure that Hamas and the people of Palestine would agree to that peace plan but we all know this will never happen .
22 percent? that is nothing, how about the refugees? what about that? there is more to solve than just damage done to the west bank, there are bigger issues than that
Nothing less than 100% is acceptable to me.
The jews are easy prey right now. They are cornered without any moral power, with the "holocost" hoax shuttered and the Universe full of angry anti-semetics, anti-nazi, pro-peace people.
They say that their G_d (Judas) gave them the land but we all know what he did to Jesus Christ.
I think the jews never thing straight like we do.
That's because they are always getting married with very close blood relatives.
Even Einstein had an affair with his sister.
Wood Allen married his own daughter!
Disgusting!
I think I'll throw up
bye bye
No
The Zionists have stolen most of the land they hold.
Until Israel ceases to be a state based on racist principals and allows the Palestinians to return to their homes there will never be peace.
The “israelis†stole more than 22% of Palestine proper, even murdered Palestinians at a higher percentage than that.
Never, until the full land is back.
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