As far as i understand, im sure you'll correct me if im wrong, israeli occupies some of these territories but doesnt lay any claim to them
syria, egypt and jordan all recognise palestine as an independent state and doesnt lay any any claim to the territories either.
so how can palestine not exist as a separate state from the surrounding countries if none of them lay claim to the land?
please keep answers mature and sensible, i would also ask you not to copy and paste long propaganda posts, although im sure some of you will.
Matt B, while Israel's official stance is that the West Bank and Gaza Strip are occupied territories, Michael W is also right in saying that "Israel lays claim to all of Palestine", because it does. Since Israel occupied the West Bank, Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights in 1967, all Israeli issued maps show these areas as part of Israel. It is because of this claim that Israel has been building illegal settlements all the time in these areas. Just check this very recent link about how such a map raised a controversy in the London underground.
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/britain/israel_poster_comes_down_after_pressure
I have asked similar questions to yours before, and I have seen others ask the same question. You will hardly ever see a pro-Israeli who would give you a straight answer to it. The reason is that deep in the Zionist ideology they want the West Bank and Gaza Strip to be part of Israel, but at the same time, they can not officially make that claim, because that would make the Palestinians there Israeli citizens. Considering that the Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and Israel are essentially equal in numbers to the Jews, and increasing a 3 times the rate of the Jews in Israel, that would immediately make Israel no longer a Jewish state. That is the only reason why Israel has not made the official move to annex these territories yet. The Zionists are waiting for the right opportunity to empty these lands from the Palestinians as they did in 1948 in the land that is now called Israel. Until this opportunity comes, Israel will continue the illegal occupation of these lands and continue to treat the people there as sub-humans.
I suggest you read my answer to this question, which has a few quotations from Zionist leaders illustrating the Zionist ideology.
Edit:
Matt, I got the population figures from 3 different sources, which differ slightly from each other. These are CIA Facts Book, Wikipedia and Jewish Virtual Library. Depending on the source the percentage of Jews in historical Palestine (Israel, West Bank and Gaza) ranges from roughly 48% to 52%. The biggest differences are in the reported number of Israeli Arabs which ranges from 1.25 million to 2.0 million (depending on the source). As for the population birth rate, the number I reported in my answer earlier (Palestinian birth rate being 3 times the Jewish birth rate), that was based on mathematically calculating the growth rate for the period 1994 to 2004 for Jewish and non-Jewish population in the table provided in the Jewish Virtual Library. That calculation yields a 4.7% annual growth for the Palestinians vs. 1.7% annual growth for the Jews. However, I noticed the reported numbers in the CIA facts book list 1.7% for Israel (Jews and Arabs combined), 2.2% for the West Bank and 3.4% for the Gaza Strip. Here are the references:
CIA Facts Book:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/is.html#People
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/we.html#People
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gz.html#People
Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Religions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians#Demographics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_population
Jewish Virtual Library:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/israel_palestine_pop.html
As for your final question about “what do I think the Zionists will do to get rid of the Palestiniansâ€, the Zionists historically have taken advantage of world events to push their agenda. In WWI (1917) they took advantage of the weakened Britain to obtain the Balfour Declaration. They took advantage of the Nazi era to gain European Jewish support and stimulate immigration to Palestine. They took advantage of world sympathy with the Jews after the holocaust to get recognition for Israel, while they ethnically cleansed the Palestinians from Palestinian land occupied by Israel in 1948. In recent history, they took advantage of the Falklands war (Britain and Argentina) to invade Lebanon in 1982 and oust the PLO from there. The world financial situation now is starting to resemble that of the Great Depression in 1930’s. During such economic difficult times, the world’s political map can change. In the 1930’s Nazism flourished and was followed by WWII. We do not know what is coming as a result of this economic/financial crisis/depression. If political systems start crumbling and wars start to occur between different countries, then that will create the golden opportunity for the Zionists to implement their new phase of ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians from the West Bank and maybe Israel. i am sure the plans are already prepared, but only waiting for the right moment to implement.
One of the famous quotes of Benyamin Netanyahu: "Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories." (then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989)
One thing for sure, time is not on Israel’s side. Thus I expect they will make the move within the next 10 years, before the Israeli Arab children reach voting age, and before they lose to the demographic statistics. However, one must remember, it is easy to start a war, but it is not easy to end it, and you can never guarantee the outcome.
Sorry for the long, technical and depressing answer.
OUTER MONGOLIA, THE PLANET ZOG! What's this if Palestine doesn't exist rubbish, you tell that to all its inhabitants who've been bombed, I'm sure the israeli's would like to also know who they've been fighting all these years what the sugar plum fairy and her merry men? Right just post this q in the travel section africa, israel bit of answers and run for cover. medication please.
Edit: traditional views? hmm you mean the ostrich effect, head in sand.
saw fanat said it all he gave the best answer that i have ever read on the israel palestine subject a thumb up for you saw
The West Bank and Gaza are what remains of Palestine, which is now called 'Israel'.
The people who stupidly assume that there was no Palestine do not understand that Arab countries in the region were mixed in borders, and all the place was under the real of different governors and states throughout: the Muslim khalifs, the Umayads, Abasis, then after a long time the Ottoman Empire. The place was called Palestine, indeed, like Egypt was called Egypt and Syria ' Al Sham' . There wa no empty place in the Midlle East, and people built real civilizations and ties with the land.
The Zionist propaganda has always used the empty etho of 'a land without a people for a people without a land' and circulated the myth that Palestine was 'empty': where did the burned villages, cities, where did buildings, olive trees, music, etc come from? Palestinians lived in the area, and they are an Arab people that exactly live the same way as Lebanese or Syrians. Did the diaspored millions of Palestinians, who were forced to leave their home for savage settlers come from the Moon?
The claim that it's a 'Jewish land' and that Jews should colonize Palestine after thousandss of years is the most stupid logic blunder the modern world has made.
If Hitler persecuted them Jews, what's the role of Arabs in this? Jews who lived in the Muslim countries always lived in an environment full of respect. I wonder how many people know that Islam prohibits forcing a religion on someone or persecuting a minority.
Wow, people who dont like Israel like to change history dont they? There never was a country called Palestine. The term "Palestine" is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century B.C.E., settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what are now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century C.E., after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word "Filastin" is derived from this Latin name.
The Hebrews entered the Land of Israel about 1300 B.C.E., living under a tribal confederation until being united under the first monarch, King Saul. The second king, David, established Jerusalem as the capital around 1000 B.C.E. David's son, Solomon built the Temple soon thereafter and consolidated the military, administrative and religious functions of the kingdom. The nation was divided under Solomon's son, with the northern kingdom (Israel) lasting until 722 B.C.E., when the Assyrians destroyed it, and the southern kingdom (Judah) surviving until the Babylonian conquest in 586 B.C.E. The Jewish people enjoyed brief periods of sovereignty afterward before most Jews were finally driven from their homeland in 135 C.E.
Jewish independence in the Land of Israel lasted for more than 400 years. This is much longer than Americans have enjoyed independence in what has become known as the United States.4 In fact, if not for foreign conquerors, Israel would be 3,000 years old today.
Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not."
Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:
We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds.
In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: "There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in te Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."
The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947 that said "Palestine was part of the Province of Syria" and that, "politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity." A few years later, Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, told the Security Council: "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."
Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank.
This leads to the statement to in all words summed up, there never was a country of Palestine.
What is called Palestine was occupied territory of Egypt - Ottoman Empire. An unprecedented and perpetuated group of self-exiles that have inherited their status to their generation and therefore to justify the hatred and the annihilation of Jews. This Palestine had no territory, form of government, structure, constitution, president, etc. The question of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict cannot be used as a pretext to put into question the fundamental right for Israel to exist
http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-hi... ----Here is a map of the middle east, all 5000 recorded years. There never was a Palestine and before anyone gets all angry, i dare you to try to prove me wrong
Gaza was Egyptian and West Bank was Jordanian, there never was a Palestine.
Oh how right you are. Yes if Palestine did not exist how were the UN able to find it to give half of it to Israel
Pro Israelis will tell you that hundreds or thousands of years ago it was called this or that or that at some time in history (none know the exact date ) that God gave it to the Jews as they were Gods chosen people.!!! I thought that God created us all as equals ? which now gives them the "right " to take the other half from its original inhabitants. One user actually said that Palestine did not exist and that it was just an area. !!! Every land is an area.
Israel lays claim to every part of Palestine or whatever they want to call it' something they have been doing since 1947 and very successfully I should add althought its cost both sides thousands of lives and despite being deemed as illegal by the UN on numerous occasions.
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